New FBI priority target: fake vax card holders

[Racer88]

One other take on this. They just introduced the vaccination mandate at my place of work. No vaccination after October 11, or a approved exemption for medical or religious, you will be fired.

That really stinks. Do you have a plan?

[tector]

What I don't understand about people like your friend is this:

Doctors and hospitals overwhelmingly say "Get vaxxed!"

They may be SAYING that (or not), but nearly half have NOT gotten the "vaccine" themselves. The number is 48%. 48% of them have not gotten the "vaccine" for themselves. Think about that.

From a report dated March 19, 2021... The actual article (which is accessible by members / medical professionals only) excerpts copy-pasted here for your convenience https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/947813:

Despite being prioritized for COVID-19 vaccination, 48% of frontline healthcare workers have not yet gotten one or more vaccine doses...

Nearly seven in 10 (68%) of the workers responsible for diagnosis and treatment, including doctors and nurses, reported having received a COVID-19 vaccine. In contrast, 44% of workers who perform administrative duties and 37% of those who assist with patient care, such as those involved in bathing, eating, cleaning, exercising, and housekeeping, reported having been vaccinated.

There were also big differences in the percentages of vaccinated respondents in various care settings. Sixty-six percent of workers in hospitals and 64% of those in hospital outpatient clinics said they'd been vaccinated, compared with 52% of those who work in doctors' offices, 50% of workers in nursing home and assisted living facilities, and 26% of home health workers.

Overall, 52% of the survey participants had received at least one dose of vaccine. The percentages of those vaccinated was higher among men than in women and higher among whites than among Blacks or Hispanics....

Of the workers in those categories, a large majority were concerned about potential side effects (82%) and the newness of the vaccine (81%)....

Overall, 52% of the survey participants had received at least one dose of vaccine. The percentages of those vaccinated was higher among men than in women and higher among whites than among Blacks or Hispanics...

The vaccine hesitancy among survey participants was fairly similar to that of the general public, as revealed in an accompanying poll of 971 US adults who were not frontline healthcare workers....

Sixty percent of survey participants who treated or provided assistance to COVID-19 patients had received their first vaccine dose; only 42% of those who didn't treat or provide assistance to patients had gotten their first shot...

The CBS coverage of the survey: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/health-car ... accinated/

I like the way you edited this 5 month old article to omit that it included great minds like housekeepers, and specifically emphasized blacks as being undervaxxed. The numbers on doctors are overwhelming:

https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news ... id-vaccine

More to the point, do you know any doctors? I do, several. They are all vaxxed. A pulmonologist I know, a refugee from Cuba, is appalled at the idiocy and illogic this issue evokes--and that is without being a member of FSN.

[dammitgriff]

What I don't understand about people like your friend is this:

Doctors and hospitals overwhelmingly say "Get vaxxed!"

People like your friend say "nope, don't trust you."

Then the moment they actually get the virus they run to the same doctors and hospitals they didn't trust before.

OK.

I noticed that this is the internet's new social compliance shaming tactic of the week. How quickly it spreads like a virus.

Dude, I am not shaming anybody--do whatever you like. But you do a shitty job of evading an obvious logical paradox.

Don’t hospitals receive some sort of financial incentive for treating covid patients? Is it that hard to connect the dots between a for-profit industry and the profit motive that encourages them to prioritize ginning up new business to receive taxpayer-funded subsidized income?
Not to mention the nearly complete regulatory capture by the medical industry lobbyists of the government institutions that are supposed to be independent watchdogs of the public’s health and safety.
Anyone who trusts anything the government says is “good for ya” or “for everyone’s safety” is taking as large a risk with their health and safety choices as those who are skeptical of the propaganda-du-jour.
R/Griff

[tector]

Again, I don't give a fuck what any of you do: vax, don't vax; smoke, don't smoke; get buttfucked without a condom; or don't. I merely pointed the inherent illogic of Gary's friend. I don't treat doctors as gods. If you want to ignore them, fine. Just don't lie about the subject.

The hysteria and passion on this reminds me of that asserted here late last year on the election --all the idiotic delusions about how Trump was going to get the election results overturned, get the Electoral College decertified, blah blah blah. Some of you move from one alternative reality to another.

I am basically with De Santis on this: he got vaxxed; he thinks people should get vaxxed; but he is not going to punish those who choose otherwise. What the fuck is so hard to understand?

[Racer88]

I like the way you edited this 5 month old article to omit that it included great minds like housekeepers, and specifically emphasized blacks as being undervaxxed. The numbers on doctors are overwhelming:

https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news ... id-vaccine

More to the point, do you know any doctors? I do, several. They are all vaxxed. A pulmonologist I know, a refugee from Cuba, is appalled at the idiocy and illogic this issue evokes--and that is without being a member of FSN.

LOL! I could have posted the entire article. Would you prefer that? It's kind of long for a forum format. I thought I was pushing the amount of quoted passages as it was. That's never minding copyright concerns, as well.

Do I know any doctors? Yeah... you could say I "know a few" doctors. LOL! MANY of them did not get the COVID poke. Still... today. Though, I have not taken notes to form my own survey to give you a percentage. That's why I quoted the article from medscape. But, I think I can say that the article reflects my own anecdotal observations. I'll leave it at that.

You assume much. But, that's OK. Carry on carrying on.

[Firemedic2000]

I'm truely Sorry to hear that. No one said COVID was not a real virus though and like all viruses people will died. They will effect people differently. But there are conspiracy theories on both sides. Not just one.

A girl that works in our office got this shot because she figured she should with her son starting school. So she took first shot. Three says later she was in hospital with Pneumonia

At first she went to a walk in clinic and they sent her home with Tylenol. Now she has scaring on her lung tissue and made an appointment with a rheumatologist also.

She was perfectly healthy before this shot.

I'm not saying no one should not take this shot either. Older Americans and people with underlying conditions. Some Doctors have said Americans with compromised immune systems should Cautiously get it. Before they were censored. Because it's not working quite as it should.

But I still believe what I do and that it is being used politically. The two states that are the largest threat to this SOCIALIST party that want's to lock down America again. These SOCIALIST are blaming Florida and Texas for the mass surge. Not all those illegals they are spreading around the nation. Especially Texas and others states Florida included. Come to Ruskin and watch the bus depot here.

So Florida and Texas accounts for over 40% of new cases so says the Biden administration. After CDC was busted inflating numbers. Another instant...a client with cancer is in hospital now with Pneumonia from a weakened immune system from the cancer drugs. Tested him and he tested positive for COVID.

Boom he's now a COVID patient in hospital. Not a cancer patient that caught Pneumonia from just a weakened immune system. He was vaccinated also. He's going to died from cancer. His doctors know this. But I bet you 100 dollars his death will be listed as COVID.

But the CDC has not been caught in the past on more than one occasion lying about COVID numbers to get them up...now have that.

Right now in the NEWS they are saying that the people that took the shot with compromised immune systems and should get a third shot. Because they are most of the break through cases caused by the unvaccinated.

I've posted only things that experts have said on both sides. But any Virologist/scientist who disagrees with what the pushers of this shot says. They are immediately ostracized and censored from all public platforms as spreading fake info.

With or without this vaccine it can and will effect people differently and unfortunately as with all viruses people will sadly die. Both unvaccinated and vaccinated.

There has only been one virus mankind has eradicated and that was smallpox. But is it really gone. Yet in six months this shot for this virus has existed. They at first they said you would not catch COVID with this shot. Now there are break through cases and booster shots just months later.

They blame those that actually read the science and listen to other real Virologist/scientist to decide to get this shot. They call these people conspiracy nuts. Because the government always knows what's best...right

But now they are saying unvaccinated Americans are the reason of the break through cases of the vaccinated. See how stupid that sounds.

But asking any questions to make an informed decision and those Americans are labeled a conspiracy nut.

I will never take this shot. I've had COVID already. It was like a cold for 3 days. Did not lose sense of smell or taste either. My wife took shot. Her body her choice. But I am sincerely sorry for the loss of your friend.

[tector]

It is pointless to engage true believers on any topic. Do what makes you happy--just don't come whining to us later about the consequences of your choices.

[Racer88]

It is pointless to engage true believers on any topic. Do what makes you happy--just don't come whining to us later about the consequences of your choices.

I might "believe" in ghosts or unicorns. But, I read and study the ACTUAL science. Science is not a matter of faith... nor is it akin to "American Idol," where everyone gets to vote. Science is not a matter of consensus, nor is it ever "settled."

My ONLY source of information is peer-reviewed literature. My decisions are based on risks vs benefits according to the scientific literature I have read.

Has anyone here "whined" about the personal consequences of their decisions?

[Firemedic2000]

Again, I don't give a fuck what any of you do: vax, don't vax; smoke, don't smoke; get buttfucked without a condom; or don't. I merely pointed the inherent illogic of Gary's friend. I don't treat doctors as gods. If you want to ignore them, fine. Just don't lie about the subject.

The hysteria and passion on this reminds me of that asserted here late last year on the election --all the idiotic delusions about how Trump was going to get the election results overturned, get the Electoral College decertified, blah blah blah. Some of you move from one alternative reality to another.

I am basically with De Santis on this: he got vaxxed; he thinks people should get vaxxed; but he is not going to punish those who choose otherwise. What the fuck is so hard to understand?

Darn your on a roll. I agree with that to.
Breath brother you sound like me. I guess what's stressed most people is the none stop COVID coverage and the democrats using this virus to turn Americans against one another.

Simple get or don't get it. It's Americans choice or it should be. Plus stop shutting down America. I believe they are doing this to punish and force people to take the SHOT.

But firing people, restricting movement and actually shaming them. Plus now saying the unvaccinated are infecting the vaccinated causing break through cases. HUH This is what's creating the anger and this is exactly what this SOCIALIST EXTREMISTS PARTY want's.....division.

But again to attack Americans in one breath. Yet in another breath release tens of thousands of infected illegals all a round the country. To I guess attempt to infect Americans and get higher numbers. So they can do another lock down to corrupt another election. That's the only thing I can think of. Now that's a conspiracy thought

[Firemedic2000]

It is pointless to engage true believers on any topic. Do what makes you happy--just don't come whining to us later about the consequences of your choices.

I might "believe" in ghosts or unicorns. But, I read and study the ACTUAL science. Science is not a matter of faith... nor is it akin to "American Idol," where everyone gets to vote. Science is not a matter of consensus, nor is it ever "settled."

My ONLY source of information is peer-reviewed literature. My decisions are based on risks vs benefits according to the scientific literature I have read.

Has anyone here "whined" about the personal consequences of their decisions?

I believe in ghosts to and My decisions are based on risks vs benefits according to the scientific literature I have read. It's then My right to decide not the government's