Florida Shooters Network

Outgunu wrote: ↑Tue Nov 10, 2020 9:10 pm What about the "Black Congressional Caucus". I still wonder how that's possible in America.

Taco wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 10:56 am It's exclusionary, but I wouldn't go as far as racist...

But I think the mention of race has distracted from the big picture here... Who do we have here on this board? We had a single black member 12 years ago, we had half a dozen Hispanic members, we had a dozen women. I think they're all long gone- maybe some still lurk. Just old white men here now.

mikem wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 11:12 am

Taco wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 10:56 am It's exclusionary, but I wouldn't go as far as racist...

But I think the mention of race has distracted from the big picture here... Who do we have here on this board? We had a single black member 12 years ago, we had half a dozen Hispanic members, we had a dozen women. I think they're all long gone- maybe some still lurk. Just old white men here now.

I'm a black "member". I can say that part of the reason you don't see many of us here is because of actual racist/anti-black sentiment expressed here and other forums. There's a definite streak of racism and anti-blackness in the gun community and places like this are hostile to our presence. I'm sure someone will argue against this because, of course, as a black person I don't know what I'm talking about.

N4KVE wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 11:49 am

mikem wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 11:12 am

Taco wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 10:56 am It's exclusionary, but I wouldn't go as far as racist...

But I think the mention of race has distracted from the big picture here... Who do we have here on this board? We had a single black member 12 years ago, we had half a dozen Hispanic members, we had a dozen women. I think they're all long gone- maybe some still lurk. Just old white men here now.

I'm a black "member". I can say that part of the reason you don't see many of us here is because of actual racist/anti-black sentiment expressed here and other forums. There's a definite streak of racism and anti-blackness in the gun community and places like this are hostile to our presence. I'm sure someone will argue against this because, of course, as a black person I don't know what I'm talking about.

I’m flabbergasted at what you wrote. At the gun show I treat black customers as well as white customers. I only see one color, & it’s green. GARY.

Taco wrote:It's exclusionary, but I wouldn't go as far as racist...

But I think the mention of race has distracted from the big picture here... Who do we have here on this board? We had a single black member 12 years ago, we had half a dozen Hispanic members, we had a dozen women. I think they're all long gone- maybe some still lurk. Just old white men here now.

If you take a look at the country's demographics you'll notice something- A fast shrinking demo is white men. With numbers come votes, and votes are power.

So what do we, as a freedom loving gun community, need? It's not the same group of old white men. We need to get our safe gun culture to seap into communities that are traditonally anti-gun. Right now what is the message those communities are getting? Guns are bad, guns are for criminals, guns are for terrorists, and if you have a gun the police are going to kill you. None of that is true, but when you are only hearing from the media and you have no counter-information, what are you supposed to think? Many Americans, including myself when I moved to FL, have no firearms experience. The news every day comes into our homes with a story of a shooting on this corner with a plastic ghost gun and a school shooting with a dozen children dead caused by a fully semiautomatic assault AR-47. That is followed up with hours of entertainment where murder are common.

Every time someone uses a gun in a crime it is bad for us. Every time there is a suicide using a gun it is bad for us. Every time there is a spree killing it is bad for us. Every time there is some nucklehead on the news for carrying 6 ARs to Starbucks with the intention of scaring old ladies and making a spectacle of himself because it's 'his right' it is bad for us. Every time there is a ND, a gun cleaning accidental death, or any unsafe handling of a firearm it is bad for us.

The best way to inoculate someone from the anti-gun propaganda is to teach them safe gun handling skills and put a gun in their hand.

mikem wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 12:20 pm

N4KVE wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 11:49 am

mikem wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 11:12 am

I'm a black "member". I can say that part of the reason you don't see many of us here is because of actual racist/anti-black sentiment expressed here and other forums. There's a definite streak of racism and anti-blackness in the gun community and places like this are hostile to our presence. I'm sure someone will argue against this because, of course, as a black person I don't know what I'm talking about.

I’m flabbergasted at what you wrote. At the gun show I treat black customers as well as white customers. I only see one color, & it’s green. GARY.

Okay -- so YOU might not behave that way but we have a few threads here where people have explained that it'd be difficult to get this board to agree that racism isn't part of its values. There's an active thread where two people declared that they are in fact racist and no one hinted that that might be wrong or a bad thing.

And speaking of gun shows -- as fair as you might be to all of your customers, it is interesting that gun shows, for a long time, were the only place I knew I could reliably pick up a copy of The Turner Diaries.

mikem wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 12:20 pm

And speaking of gun shows -- as fair as you might be to all of your customers, it is interesting that gun shows, for a long time, were the only place I knew I could reliably pick up a copy of The Turner Diaries.

n0rlf wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 1:39 pm So you judge the board by two people's rants?