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Re: Beware--USPS Informed DElivery
Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2018 11:49 pm
by tector
FfNJGTFO wrote: ↑Sun Dec 16, 2018 11:27 pm
Chigger wrote: ↑Sun Dec 16, 2018 10:30 pm
Didn't realize in today's age that people still opt for snail mail.
They can have all the pics they want of the bed bath and beyond coupons and packets of advertiser coupons they want.
Well, the only real consequence of this is that Amazon still utilizes USPS heavily for some shipments. That's the area of concern. Hopefully, the ammo manufacturers will use UPS and Fedex.
We'll see.
Why is that a particular concern? 95% of Amazon packages don't disclose contents externally.
Re: Beware--USPS Informed DElivery
Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 12:00 am
by OSD
It only takes pics of letter size envelopes, not packages or boxes. I don't see the big problem.
Re: Beware--USPS Informed DElivery
Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 7:38 am
by FfNJGTFO
tector wrote: ↑Sun Dec 16, 2018 11:49 pm
FfNJGTFO wrote: ↑Sun Dec 16, 2018 11:27 pm
Chigger wrote: ↑Sun Dec 16, 2018 10:30 pm
Didn't realize in today's age that people still opt for snail mail.
They can have all the pics they want of the bed bath and beyond coupons and packets of advertiser coupons they want.
Well, the only real consequence of this is that Amazon still utilizes USPS heavily for some shipments. That's the area of concern. Hopefully, the ammo manufacturers will use UPS and Fedex.
We'll see.
Why is that a particular concern? 95% of Amazon packages don't disclose contents externally.
The shipping labels contain coding that could allow a LEA to trace the package back to whomever ordered the goods and then to force Amazon to reveal the contents if they get a warrant. It's why, for example, whenever I recycle an amazon box, I remove the labels from it first.
Re: Beware--USPS Informed DElivery
Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 7:42 am
by FfNJGTFO
OSD wrote: ↑Mon Dec 17, 2018 12:00 am
It only takes pics of letter size envelopes, not packages or boxes. I don't see the big problem.
If it doesn't cover the packages, then it can't be a really good system in re: its original intent (i.e. help scan for terrorist/anthrax activity, etc.).
Re: Beware--USPS Informed DElivery
Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 8:18 am
by Bmup
zeebaron wrote: ↑Sun Dec 16, 2018 11:34 pm
I predicted 3 years ago, before they actually started, that within 5 years Amazon would have their own delivery service everywhere in the country. It's the only thing that makes economic sense long term.
They already have & I've seen the trucks in my neighborhood:
https://multichannelmerchant.com/operat ... -services/
Wanna' be an owner/operator for Amazon deliveries?
https://logistics.amazon.com/
Re: Beware--USPS Informed DElivery
Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 8:41 am
by tector
FfNJGTFO wrote: ↑Mon Dec 17, 2018 7:38 am
tector wrote: ↑Sun Dec 16, 2018 11:49 pm
FfNJGTFO wrote: ↑Sun Dec 16, 2018 11:27 pm
Well, the only real consequence of this is that Amazon still utilizes USPS heavily for some shipments. That's the area of concern. Hopefully, the ammo manufacturers will use UPS and Fedex.
We'll see.
Why is that a particular concern? 95% of Amazon packages don't disclose contents externally.
The shipping labels contain coding that could allow a LEA to trace the package back to whomever ordered the goods and then to force Amazon to reveal the contents if they get a warrant. It's why, for example, whenever I recycle an amazon box, I remove the labels from it first.
Uh...if they were targeting you, they could already serve a warrant or subpoena on Amazon. This system adds nothing to that ability.
Re: Beware--USPS Informed DElivery
Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 9:05 am
by chester field
After reading this post, I signed up.
If they are collecting the info anyway, I might as well get something out of it.
Woohoo! Valpak is coming today!!
Re: Beware--USPS Informed DElivery
Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 9:20 am
by FfNJGTFO
tector wrote: ↑Mon Dec 17, 2018 8:41 am
FfNJGTFO wrote: ↑Mon Dec 17, 2018 7:38 am
tector wrote: ↑Sun Dec 16, 2018 11:49 pm
Why is that a particular concern? 95% of Amazon packages don't disclose contents externally.
The shipping labels contain coding that could allow a LEA to trace the package back to whomever ordered the goods and then to force Amazon to reveal the contents if they get a warrant. It's why, for example, whenever I recycle an amazon box, I remove the labels from it first.
Uh...if they were targeting you, they could already serve a warrant or subpoena on Amazon. This system adds nothing to that ability.
If... they were targeting you. What if they're just "fishing," and looking at everything just to try and find something on someone that could lead to more direct "targetting?"
Re: Beware--USPS Informed DElivery
Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 9:25 am
by tector
Whatever, man.
Re: Beware--USPS Informed DElivery
Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 9:43 am
by dammitgriff
tector wrote:Whatever, man.
Think pre-crime data collection, tector.
They (governments) are gathering evidence today in search of crime tomorrow. This is a full reversal of the principle of due process where the evidence follows the crime.
Not good for liberty, here or anywhere.