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Re: So...We're allowed to carry in "gun-free" zones now?

Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2018 9:47 am
by N4KVE
Bobberfishin wrote: Wed Dec 19, 2018 7:34 am

I thought you could carry in an airport UP to the TSA check point.
I don't mind you carry inside any part of an airport, but thought you were allowed to enter the terminal but not TSA check point
In some states you can. Florida is not one of them. GARY.

Re: So...We're allowed to carry in "gun-free" zones now?

Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2018 9:47 am
by TampaMark
Bobberfishin wrote: Wed Dec 19, 2018 7:34 am
tcpip95 wrote: Tue Dec 18, 2018 12:43 am
N4KVE wrote: Tue Dec 18, 2018 12:33 am Unless it’s a school, or court house, I somehow never seem to notice those decals on the door of a business showing a gun with a line through it. Darn. GARY.
You can't carry one into an airport in FL.
I thought you could carry in an airport UP to the TSA check point.
I don't mind you carry inside any part of an airport, but thought you were allowed to enter the terminal but not TSA check point
Be careful, you are not allowed to carry in a police station and many airports have a police station so an argument could be made the that entire building is a police station.

Re: So...We're allowed to carry in "gun-free" zones now?

Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2018 11:45 am
by N4KVE
Our local Walmart has a tiny police sub station in the shopping cart return area. I guess I'm breaking the law, because I always carry in that Walmart. GARY

Re: So...We're allowed to carry in "gun-free" zones now?

Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2018 3:29 pm
by Tenzing_Norgay
TampaMark wrote: Wed Dec 19, 2018 9:47 am Be careful, you are not allowed to carry in a police station and many airports have a police station so an argument could be made the that entire building is a police station.
False. Walmart has sub-stations, shopping malls have sub-stations and some ghetto communities have sub-stations. A sub-station does not a police station make.

Re: So...We're allowed to carry in "gun-free" zones now?

Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2018 4:53 pm
by tector
Perhaps like the "bar area" in a restaurant (e.g. Chili's)? Never looked into it.

Re: So...We're allowed to carry in "gun-free" zones now?

Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2018 6:29 pm
by N4KVE
tector wrote: Wed Dec 19, 2018 4:53 pm Perhaps like the "bar area" in a restaurant (e.g. Chili's)? Never looked into it.
I believe that’s only if 50% or more of the restaurant’s income is from liquor. If food sales is more than booze, you’re OK. Sometimes when I go to that type of restaurant, & the gal says there’s a 30 minute wait for a booth, but the bar has no wait, I’ll sit at the bar, & order my meal with a Coke. GARY.

Re: So...We're allowed to carry in "gun-free" zones now?

Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2018 7:43 pm
by Racer88
N4KVE wrote: Wed Dec 19, 2018 6:29 pm
tector wrote: Wed Dec 19, 2018 4:53 pm Perhaps like the "bar area" in a restaurant (e.g. Chili's)? Never looked into it.
I believe that’s only if 50% or more of the restaurant’s income is from liquor. If food sales is more than booze, you’re OK. Sometimes when I go to that type of restaurant, & the gal says there’s a 30 minute wait for a booth, but the bar has no wait, I’ll sit at the bar, & order my meal with a Coke. GARY.
Nope. Florida does not have a 50% law. Texas does. But, not Florida. And, in Texas, those establishments have a "50%" sign. Otherwise, how would a customer be privy to the revenue breakdown of a restaurant / bar?

Basically, at Chili's, you can't sit AT the bar. But, yes... you can carry into a restaurant that has a bar. However, not into an actual bar... a bar bar, that's not a restaurant. I recommend Jon Gutmacher's book on Florida gun law:
https://www.floridafirearmslaw.com/

Re: So...We're allowed to carry in "gun-free" zones now?

Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2018 3:54 pm
by Slartibartfast
this article has nothing to do with Parkland directly but
it's hilarious when you read the last line.

BSO cops did not enter and engage Cruz & they claimed
they had no legal duty to protect, however when they
kill someone they claim they did have a duty to protect. well
Cruz was a danger to himself and others so...WTF ?

Hollywood police used reasonable force in stun gun death, review finds


https://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/brow ... story.html


Police officers in Hollywood used reasonable force when they used a stun gun 10 times on a mentally ill man four years ago, department officials say.

Daniel Tyson, who was zapped four times while cuffed and shackled, died within minutes on Oct. 27, 2014.

On Wednesday, Hollywood commissioners agreed to pay Tyson’s family $750,000 to settle a wrongful death lawsuit.

The only policy violated that day: Two of the several officers responding to the scene wore the wrong shoes, black sneakers. That’s according to a department review of the incident obtained Thursday by the South Florida Sun Sentinel.

Police were called to Tyson’s apartment after he walked onto his balcony nude and was seen talking to a tree and tossing items onto the ground below.

Under department policy, officers were entitled to use deadly force after Tyson threw a sundial clock at an officer, leaving him with a deep gash that required six staples, the May 29 report says.

Hollywood officers are also permitted to use a stun gun on a handcuffed suspect if he or she continues to struggle — as police say Tyson did.

Stephanie Casey, an attorney for the Tyson family, declined to comment Thursday.

In a previous interview, Casey said up to six officers were on scene at the time of death.

The officers were not disciplined by the Hollywood Police Department, and a grand jury found their use of deadly force was justifiable under state law.

Officer Alexis Ramirez told the grand jury he saw “stars” after being hit with the sundial clock.

Tyson intended to kill Ramirez when he threw the clock at his head, according to the department’s Internal Affairs report. Ramirez zapped Tyson with a stun gun once but could have chosen to fire his weapon, the report says.

Backup Officer Andreas Pantaloukas used a stun gun on Tyson nine times. The stun guns — used for a total of 54 seconds — were “ineffective” because Tyson continued to fight the officers, according to the department.

When he stopped moving, paramedics tried to revive him with CPR. When that failed, Tyson was taken to the hospital, where doctors declared him dead.

Friend John Collette told police Tyson had come unhinged the day before the incident. Collette says Tyson threw him to the ground, hit him with a champagne bottle and stabbed a chair with a knife, according to the report.

Officers had a “duty to act” because it was clear Tyson was a danger to himself and others, the report says.

Re: So...We're allowed to carry in "gun-free" zones now?

Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2018 4:27 pm
by REDinFL
Duh law is whut i say it is.

Re: So...We're allowed to carry in "gun-free" zones now?

Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2018 5:59 pm
by Slartibartfast
CaptBarty wrote: Thu Dec 20, 2018 4:27 pm Duh law is whut i say it is.

:lol:



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