Re: ATF proposing pistol brace registration
Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2020 7:37 am
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Doesn't the FFL destroy those forms after 20 years?
Doesn't the FFL destroy those forms after 20 years?
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ATF proposing pistol brace registration
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Re: ATF proposing pistol brace registration
Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2020 10:13 am
A prominent South Florida FFL once told me the years required to hold on to the forms. I can't remember how many years it was but I remember it being far less than 20 (I could be wrong). This dealer told me he would NEVER destroy any even though the law allowed him to...
Re: ATF proposing pistol brace registration
Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2020 7:37 pm
As an FFL who's had to participate in trace requests, I can tell you the ATFs Out of Business Center is so rediculously disorganized theyd need 100 clerk's working 20 hours a day to make heads or takes of it.MiamiOffshore wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 5:57 pmWhen an FFL goes out of business the entity must handover ALL completed 4473's to the ATF. They are then kept at the headquarters and in recent years the overflow has them resorting to storage containers as the office is full. Ostensibly this is the reason they have altered the 4473's recently so that all the pertinent information is on one side of the form and thus easier to be scanned into a searchable PDF format.
Re: ATF proposing pistol brace registration
Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2020 7:38 pm
Re: ATF proposing pistol brace registration
Posted: Sun Dec 20, 2020 7:08 pm
Is it still illegal if you just take brace off? It would revert back to being a pistol, right?rentprop1 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 2:38 pmthey are probably just gonna prohibit them like bump stocks, wait, watch and seeOrlando Paulitician wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 9:55 am
Even if there were a record, I don't think the ATF would have the manpower to enforce it. There's hundreds of thousands of braces out in the market now, and only 1,700 sworn agents across the entire US.
for-profit Gun ranges will be the most effective part of any legal changes. They're the ones on the front lines, making sure the gun owners who visit are using their stuff legally (including not shouldering the brace, lmao).
food for thought there are no barrels or stocks out there anywhere for purchase, if you wanted to make it a rifle, so they know you will be in possession of an un registered sbr
Re: ATF proposing pistol brace registration
Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 8:32 am
While braces are currently still legal, if you remove yes it, it will still be legal "maybe" as their wrangling with all the objective opinion stuff such as length, weight and type of sights ect. This is more about designating what a pistol is than what a brace adds to the equation. At the moment one could still do the "Other/Firearm" category if you reach the 26"or > lingo.Orlando Paulitician wrote: ↑Sun Dec 20, 2020 7:08 pmIs it still illegal if you just take brace off? It would revert back to being a pistol, right?rentprop1 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 2:38 pmthey are probably just gonna prohibit them like bump stocks, wait, watch and seeOrlando Paulitician wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 9:55 am
Even if there were a record, I don't think the ATF would have the manpower to enforce it. There's hundreds of thousands of braces out in the market now, and only 1,700 sworn agents across the entire US.
for-profit Gun ranges will be the most effective part of any legal changes. They're the ones on the front lines, making sure the gun owners who visit are using their stuff legally (including not shouldering the brace, lmao).
food for thought there are no barrels or stocks out there anywhere for purchase, if you wanted to make it a rifle, so they know you will be in possession of an un registered sbr
Re: ATF proposing pistol brace registration
Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 8:41 am
So the ATF is sayng it has not explicitly approved many of the pistol braces on the market, and some don't meet it's approval. But the ATF did explicitly approve the Sig brace, right? I have a copy of the letter that came with mine. So regardless of what they decide about other styles and brands, a Sig pistol with brace manufactured by Sig is still good, until/unless they explicitly rescind their letter to Sig, right?
Re: ATF proposing pistol brace registration
Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 11:31 am
yeah cause the ATF never changed their mind 
Re: ATF proposing pistol brace registration
Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 10:15 pm
I was under the impression the ATF was focused on braces, and not rifle-caliber pistols. I guess I'm mistaken?Lastrites wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 8:32 amWhile braces are currently still legal, if you remove yes it, it will still be legal "maybe" as their wrangling with all the objective opinion stuff such as length, weight and type of sights ect. This is more about designating what a pistol is than what a brace adds to the equation. At the moment one could still do the "Other/Firearm" category if you reach the 26"or > lingo.Orlando Paulitician wrote: ↑Sun Dec 20, 2020 7:08 pmIs it still illegal if you just take brace off? It would revert back to being a pistol, right?rentprop1 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 2:38 pm
they are probably just gonna prohibit them like bump stocks, wait, watch and see
food for thought there are no barrels or stocks out there anywhere for purchase, if you wanted to make it a rifle, so they know you will be in possession of an un registered sbr
Or, are you saying, as a matter of collateral damage due to ambiguous language, rifle-caliber pistols might get caught up in legal difficulties in addition to the braces?
If its a simple matter of braces becoming illegal, then removing them is a simple enough solution I imagine most would opt for.
Re: ATF proposing pistol brace registration
Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2020 7:01 am
Pretty much:Orlando Paulitician wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 10:15 pmI was under the impression the ATF was focused on braces, and not rifle-caliber pistols. I guess I'm mistaken?Lastrites wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 8:32 amWhile braces are currently still legal, if you remove yes it, it will still be legal "maybe" as their wrangling with all the objective opinion stuff such as length, weight and type of sights ect. This is more about designating what a pistol is than what a brace adds to the equation. At the moment one could still do the "Other/Firearm" category if you reach the 26"or > lingo.Orlando Paulitician wrote: ↑Sun Dec 20, 2020 7:08 pm
Is it still illegal if you just take brace off? It would revert back to being a pistol, right?
Or, are you saying, as a matter of collateral damage due to ambiguous language, rifle-caliber pistols might get caught up in legal difficulties in addition to the braces?
If its a simple matter of braces becoming illegal, then removing them is a simple enough solution I imagine most would opt for.
Caliber
Length of pull
Magazine capacity ( because of overall weight)
Brace ( not being used properly )
Scopes
Bipod
And I'm sure there's a few I missed.
Like anything there's always going to be a way
To work around something we'll have to wait and see.