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Re: New ATF reg’s.

Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2023 4:05 pm
by wjbarricklow
I’m ashamed to say when one takes the concealed course at the WPB show, the only bullet one fires is from an air gun in the empty trailer they use to bring their tables to the show. When I worked at the WPB SS store, the students went on the range, & each shot ten rounds [real guns, & bullets] which was above, & beyond what the Gov’t required.
Ashamed? Why?

It's a stupid law, anyway. What does firing one round or ten or fifty prove?

I can usually watch someone pick up a gun and handle it, and tell whether I'm comfortable enough to sign off that they have "safely discharged a firearm".

You could hand people a permit for just passing a background check, or do without permits entirely. They do this in many states.

The training requirement is a joke and always will be.

Idiots with training are still just trained idiots. People who are ignorant will seek training if they're not comfortable carrying. The requirement is useless.

Re: New ATF reg’s.

Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2023 6:06 pm
by George W
wjbarricklow wrote: Tue Feb 21, 2023 4:05 pm
Ashamed? Why?

It's a stupid law, anyway. What does firing one round or ten or fifty prove?

I can usually watch someone pick up a gun and handle it, and tell whether I'm comfortable enough to sign off that they have "safely discharged a firearm".

You could hand people a permit for just passing a background check, or do without permits entirely. They do this in many states.

The training requirement is a joke and always will be.

Idiots with training are still just trained idiots. People who are ignorant will seek training if they're not comfortable carrying. The requirement is useless.
Agreed. Plus, what other enumerated right is subject to a test before exercising? Training is a great idea. Mandating training before being allowed to carry a gun ranks right up there with a poll tax.

Re: New ATF reg’s.

Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2023 7:26 pm
by N4KVE
wjbarricklow wrote: Tue Feb 21, 2023 4:05 pm Ashamed? Why? It's a stupid law, anyway. What does firing one round or ten or fifty prove?
I can usually watch someone pick up a gun and handle it, and tell whether I'm comfortable enough to sign off that they have "safely discharged a firearm".
They use a plastic air gun. Can you tell with that? GARY

Re: New ATF reg’s.

Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2023 12:49 pm
by wjbarricklow
They use a plastic air gun. Can you tell with that? GARY
I can tell if their finger is off the trigger, and the muzzle is in a safe direction with a squirt gun.

Like 20 states allow people to carry without a permit. Can you tell with that?

Re: New ATF reg’s.

Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2023 5:21 pm
by N4KVE
wjbarricklow wrote: Wed Feb 22, 2023 12:49 pm
They use a plastic air gun. Can you tell with that? GARY
I can tell if their finger is off the trigger, and the muzzle is in a safe direction with a squirt gun.

Like 20 states allow people to carry without a permit. Can you tell with that?
Nope. GARY.

Re: New ATF reg’s.

Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2023 5:46 pm
by tector
I believe it's 25. If permitless carry passes in FL, we'll make it a majority of states.