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Villafuego wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 3:33 pm Constructive possession is a real thing as it applies to AOW's, SBR's, SBS's, DD's, and MG's.
If you have a combination of parts that can be only be assembled into one of the above configurations, then constructive possession applies.

Silencers are a different story in that any single silencer component is an NFA item.....each baffle, tube, cap, etc....

The reason the "Wish" monocore "solvent traps" are getting seized, is that it doesn't matter if the endcap is drilled or not....the monocore is complete/functional....so by law, that single part is an (unregistered) NFA item.

All of the solvent trap manufacturers that have been shutdown had one thing in common....they demonstrated openly how their products were essentially "DIY" suppressor kits....

I wouldn't order the first component until I had an approved F1 in hand.....nor would I order a complete "kit" from a single manufacturer....

People who think ATF won't consider their "solvent trap" a suppressor only because the endcap isn't drilled might be in for a big surprise....slide over to forfeiture.gov and look at the list of how many of these things are picked up regularly.

I remember going to gun shows in the '80's when you could buy all the internals for MAC/RPB/Sionics suppressors at one table, and the tubes about 4 tables down....

That all ended in '86.....and as much as I like to see a flourishing F1 suppressor community/industry, I'm still baffled how the suppliers are allowed to stay in business

Baffled

armedpolak wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 3:47 pm But it gets better: https://www.preppersdiscount.com/store/ ... r-Kit.html

This is a straight machine gun. How this is not constructive possession baffles me...

neverenoughguns wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 6:21 pm

Villafuego wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 3:33 pm Constructive possession is a real thing as it applies to AOW's, SBR's, SBS's, DD's, and MG's.
If you have a combination of parts that can be only be assembled into one of the above configurations, then constructive possession applies.

Silencers are a different story in that any single silencer component is an NFA item.....each baffle, tube, cap, etc....

The reason the "Wish" monocore "solvent traps" are getting seized, is that it doesn't matter if the endcap is drilled or not....the monocore is complete/functional....so by law, that single part is an (unregistered) NFA item.

All of the solvent trap manufacturers that have been shutdown had one thing in common....they demonstrated openly how their products were essentially "DIY" suppressor kits....

I wouldn't order the first component until I had an approved F1 in hand.....nor would I order a complete "kit" from a single manufacturer....

People who think ATF won't consider their "solvent trap" a suppressor only because the endcap isn't drilled might be in for a big surprise....slide over to forfeiture.gov and look at the list of how many of these things are picked up regularly.

I remember going to gun shows in the '80's when you could buy all the internals for MAC/RPB/Sionics suppressors at one table, and the tubes about 4 tables down....

That all ended in '86.....and as much as I like to see a flourishing F1 suppressor community/industry, I'm still baffled how the suppliers are allowed to stay in business

Baffled

Does the above concern apply to the kits where you have to drill out each of the baffles? I.E. a non mono core kit? I have never purchased or built one but might consider it IF it is 100% legal to purchase, complete the F1 process, receive the approved F1 and then drill out and have engraved. I have ZERO interest in getting even remotely sideways w/ the ATF or any law enforcement branch for that matter. In the past, when doing a SBR, I don't even order the barrel (or stock) until the process has been successfully completed and approved. Never even considered the F1 of a homemade suppressor until reading this thread and not interested if it can not be done legally.

Tenzing_Norgay wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 6:27 pm

armedpolak wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 3:47 pm But it gets better: https://www.preppersdiscount.com/store/ ... r-Kit.html

This is a straight machine gun. How this is not constructive possession baffles me...

" For those customers who currently own an AUTHORIZED AND FULLY REGISTERED DIAS (Drop In Auto Sear) this 8 piece kit will allow you to repair any of your broken pieces on your auto sear. "

amheck wrote: ↑Sat Apr 18, 2020 1:22 pm Although the 30 day form1 wait is super tempting over the Form4 process.

armedpolak wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 8:52 pm
"This item can also be purchased with the intention of never producing but merely as a conversational or novelty display piece only."

armedpolak wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 8:54 pm

amheck wrote: ↑Sat Apr 18, 2020 1:22 pm Although the 30 day form1 wait is super tempting over the Form4 process.

in the last 10 days I've heard from two separate gun store owners that Individual Form 4 filed for a silencer takes about 2 months right now, in worse case 3 months...