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Thou shalt not kill

Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2020 4:46 pm
by Firemedic2000
I've often wondered about this commandment. Asking myself as a young man going into the military. How can I obey this and be a soldier or for that matter. A LEO, kill an Intruder in my home. Take any life without breaking this commandment of thou shalt not kill.

It has haunted me for many years. I know that after the fact. You can always ask for forgiveness. But not if you yourself are killed also while fighting.

I am not saying it was why I chose to get out of the military. After becoming what I did. But at some point. Something did not seem right. It was like we were doing things not for the right reason. Like we were being used as expendable pawns.

To further some political leaders career. In other words there was no real purpose for what we were being asked to scarifice. No honor or integrity.

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I found an interested read on this today. I'd like to share with you guys. This made alot of sense to me and nailed it on my thoughts.

https://therefinersfire.org/shalt_not_kill.htm

Re: Thou shalt not kill

Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2020 5:55 pm
by flcracker
I've always been taught that it is "Thou shalt do no murder.". There's lots of killing that needs to be done, which isn't murder

Re: Thou shalt not kill

Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2020 6:18 pm
by Firemedic2000
That kind of what the article stated. That the powers to be when the KING James bible was done changed it to kill to further their power through the church

Re: Thou shalt not kill

Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2020 6:29 pm
by Clyde621
A great note, I myself have not served in the military service but I have served 30 years in law enforcement. I myself was comforted by knowing the true meaning of the passage was “thy shalt not murder”. We all know there is a difference, but to one who has to take a life it can still be conflicting to them. I had some fellow officers who did have to fire and the suspect died. One officer was so damaged from the event he eventually took his own life.
I think we understand the reason why the military trains the way they do. You don’t want troops thinking about each and every order given. Such as your trip through life certain events don’t become clearer until later in life. I think you are fortunate and are not so damaged as so many are. Thanks for your service past and forward.

Re: Thou shalt not kill

Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2020 6:49 pm
by Firemedic2000
Back at you. You had an extremely hard career. Unfortunately saw the worse that society had to offer. I cannot imagine the physiological impact it has on LEOs. Especially today when you have an entire elected political party clearly attacking all L.E. agencies today. All for their own personal adgenda.

Thou shalt not kill

Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2020 7:11 pm
by dammitgriff
Don’t feel bad. Many millions died last century due to not only wars, but socialist/communist/fascist economic central planning. Wasn’t that murder at the hands of politicians?
How many will die this century, right here in the USA, as a result of expanding the socialist economic policies of our own government?
R/Griff

Re: Thou shalt not kill

Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2020 8:24 pm
by Iosef
Firemedic2000 wrote: Thu Apr 02, 2020 6:18 pm That kind of what the article stated. That the powers to be when the KING James bible was done changed it to kill to further their power through the church
Translations always introduce errors. Different cultures create different nuances of meaning to accompany their different words. Even translating frrom Britain's english to American english introduces errors. Add to that the simple fact that the King James Bible was a political document written for the purpose of discrediting the teachings of the Catholic church...

Yeah, even the ten commandments were altered so the Protestant bible would completely isolate the British people from the Catholic church. The Catholics brought this down on themselves, when they decided to exterminate the British government and the Royal family in The Gunpowder Plot.

Re: Thou shalt not kill

Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2020 6:26 am
by flcracker
With respect to the King James version bring changed to discredit Catholics, I was brought up Episcopalian, aka Church of England, and I thought I always heard it as murder rather than kill. I'll have to ask my mother (Episcopal deacon) about what she was taught regarding the different versions.