Bump stocks down.....Guess what Trump will go after next...

[TC6969]

Second, everyone else, can we not cannibalize the community every time someone says something slightly off message?

There's a BIG difference between "saying something SLIGHTLY off message" and openly advocating for another piece of our rights getting ripped away just because he had to pay $200 and the next guy didn't.

[Chigger]

"It would be dumb of the 2A groups to not trot out disabled veterans to fight for that."

Trotting out DAV's for a political purpose should not even be an option.

2nd amendment groups and gun owners should be in the face of every politician all the time without dangling those who already sacrificed something for those that are just lazy bastards.

[P5 Guy]

Write to your House Rep. and our Senators.
Tell them to not advance anymore restriction on law abiding firearms owners.
If I get a response I will copy them here.

[tector]

I am rapidly approaching 60, with major health issues already. The prospect of personal annihilation is not exactly welcomed (yet), but seeing the course this country is taking gives me some comfort even now that I will be fortunate to miss the worst of it. To our younger members, and those with children and grandchildren...hope I am wrong. But once Texas and/or Florida go "blue"...game over. The only thing unknown will be the exact time of the funeral. What is going on now (e.g. squabbling amongst ourselves over braces) is the proverbial rearranging of deck chairs on the Titanic.

[Greg]

I am rapidly approaching 60, with major health issues already. The prospect of personal annihilation is not exactly welcomed (yet), but seeing the course this country is taking gives me some comfort even now that I will be fortunate to miss the worst of it. To our younger members, and those with children and grandchildren...hope I am wrong. But once Texas and/or Florida go "blue"...game over. The only thing unknown will be the exact time of the funeral. What is going on now (e.g. squabbling amongst ourselves over braces) is the proverbial rearranging of deck chairs on the Titanic.

Nah we’re not giving up. I’m 33 and I ain’t giving up shit. I’ll fight for every inch

[45caldan]

I was just reading this on yahoo.
Was gonna start a thread about.
You guys are fast.

[SteyrAUG]

Any time. I’m proud of my stamps. GARY.

As the owner of a rather large stamp collection, this is still BS.

A bump stock is NOT a machine gun. ATF can't just change definitions whenever they like. Bumpstocks are retarded, but they are still NOT a machine gun.

Arms braces are not a stock. AFT made a determination and they should have to maintain it. Arm braces are retarded (except for those who are actually disabled) and too many clowns use it as a SBR, but ATF can't just keep changing the rules and moving the goal posts whenever they see fit to do so.

These items get approved based upon an ATF determination, they can't simply so "we changed our mind" even though they do that all the time.

[Skoll]

"It would be dumb of the 2A groups to not trot out disabled veterans to fight for that."

Trotting out DAV's for a political purpose should not even be an option.

2nd amendment groups and gun owners should be in the face of every politician all the time without dangling those who already sacrificed something for those that are just lazy bastards.

You have to fight fire with fire. Trying to be "better" than the other side only means we're going to lose to their tactics.

[lakelandman]

Well he has suppressors in his sights, haven't heard about those in a few weeks... Looks like he may just have a new target... Reagan 2.0.


https://www.yahoo.com/news/dayton-shoot ... 59889.html

Dayton shooter used a modified gun that may have exploited a legal loophole
USA TODAY Cameron Knight,USA TODAY 3 hours ago

CINCINNATI – Even though it looked like a rifle, the gun used to kill nine people and wound at least 14 more was likely classified as a pistol, skirting laws restricting short-barreled rifles.

Will the device on Connor Betts' weapon, called a "pistol brace," become the next bump stock in nation's gun control debate?

Here's what we know about the AR-15 style .223 caliber firearm used in the Dayton shooting Sunday:

It was legally purchased by Betts' from an online retailer in Texas. It then was transferred to him by a local firearms dealer who would be required to perform a background check, police said.
Nothing on Betts' criminal record would have prevented him from buying a gun.
He used legal-to-own 100-round drum magazines.
The lower receiver, which houses the trigger, was made by Anderson Manufacturing in Hebron, Kentucky. Under federal law, the lower receiver is the gun. Purchasing a lower receiver requires a background check. All other parts of guns, such as barrels and stocks, can be bought legally off the shelf or online.
Betts could have had as many as 250 rounds in his possession; he fired at least 41 rounds in about 30 seconds.

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On Monday, Dayton Police Chief Richard Biehl said Betts' gun was "modified in essence to function like a rifle" and "to avoid any legal prohibitions." He did not specifically cite a pistol brace, but photos of the weapon released by police show one.

The federal restrictions on short-barreled rifles were enacted to stop people from making rifles, guns fired from the shoulder, more concealable. Rifles typically can fire more powerful cartridges than pistols and shoulder stocks allow the rifles to be fired more accurately.

It is illegal to own a rifle with a barrel shorter than 16 inches without paying $200 for a National Firearms Act tax stamp and completing all the related paperwork and background checks. The process is similar to legally owning a fully automatic rifle.

It is unclear if Betts' went through this process, but the firearm he used did have a barrel shorter than 16 inches.

AR-15-style firearms can be rifles or pistols. A pistol can have a short barrel, but no shoulder stock. A rifle can have a shoulder stock, but the barrel must be 16 inches or longer.

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Enter the pistol brace, also known as a stabilizing brace. For all practical purposes, this device allows pistols with short barrels to have something resembling a shoulder stock.

Companies began marketing pistol braces in the early 2010s after getting approval letters from the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. The braces are designed to be strapped to the arm, allowing AR-15-style pistols to be more easily fired with one hand.

Many of these devices closely resemble shoulder stocks and can be used in that fashion, which raises another question for the ATF. If you put a pistol brace to your shoulder, does that turn your gun into something illegal?

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The ATF has gone back and forth on its answer. The agency has issued several open letters, which are not law but indications of how the agency plans to interpret the law.

In 2012, the ATF issued a letter saying braces could be attached to a pistol without turning the weapon into a short-barreled rifle.

In 2015, the agency said firing a pistol from the shoulder with a brace would not constitute a "redesign" and would require all the necessary paperwork and taxes.

When brace manufacturers sought more clarification, the ATF again appeared to change its stance in 2017. The ATF said "incidental, sporadic, or situation ‘use’ of an arm-brace" from the shoulder did not constitute a redesign, but taking "affirmative steps to configure the device" as a shoulder stock would, such as removing straps intended to wrap around the arm.

Dean Rieck, the executive director of the Buckeye Firearm Association, said trying to ban firearm components will not prevent the next mass shooting.

"After every shooting, we see the same pattern," Rieck said. "People have certain pet laws they want to see passed. You'll probably see various laws proposed."

In terms of pistol braces, Rieck said: "Things like that don't really make a difference. If your purpose is to harm people, that configuration is not ideal anyway."

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After the Las Vegas mass shooting, Cincinnati and Columbus attempted to ban bump stocks, which can increase the rate of fire of a rifle. Rieck's association successfully blocked the bans by invoking Ohio's preemption rule, which stops cities from overriding state gun laws.

Chief Biehl has not said it he believes the short barrel and pistol brace assisted Betts in the killings, but he did take a stance on the level of firepower used in the attack.

Asked about the 100-round magazines, he said: "It’s problematic. It is fundamentally problematic. To have that level of weaponry in a civilian environment unregulated is problematic."

Follow Cameron Knight on Twitter: @ckpj99

Your Headline is very missing leading nowhere in your link or story saying anything about Trump so you should change your headline to my assumptions is Trump blah blah.

[JonathanW]

So easy for fellow gun owners to throw others gun owners under the bus as long as their guns are safe. It’s the definition of being a FUDD