Prospective GOP platform jettisons substantive gun rights positions

[tector]

Yay our saviors!

https://thereload.com/2024-republican-p ... -promises/

"The entire platform discusses gun rights just once, in a preamble statement about the party’s dedication to defending “our fundamental freedoms, including freedom of speech, freedom of religion, and the right to keep and bear arms.” The final product omits any discussion of tangible gun policy ideas.
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The 2024 platform’s cursory discussion of gun policy priorities marks a significant departure from the party’s 2016 platform. The party previously dedicated an entire section to the Second Amendment. In it, the GOP listed specific pro-gun policies it wanted to enact, as well as gun-control measures it opposed.

“We support firearm reciprocity legislation to recognize the right of law-abiding Americans to carry firearms to protect themselves and their families in all 50 states,” the 2016 document reads. “We support constitutional carry statutes and salute the states that have passed them.”

“We oppose ill-conceived laws that would restrict magazine capacity or ban the sale of the most popular and common modern rifle,” the section continues. “We also oppose any effort to deprive individuals of their right to keep and bear arms without due process of law. We condemn frivolous lawsuits against gun manufacturers and the current Administration’s illegal harassment of firearm dealers. We oppose federal licensing or registration of law-abiding gun owners, registration of ammunition, and restoration of the ill-fated Clinton gun ban.”

[Miami_JBT]

Republican Platform Betrays Gun Owners

July 11, 2024
By Luis Valdes

When Americans head to the polls this November, many will cast their vote with the intention of defending, protecting, and further expanding the Second Amendment for all. Naturally, these pro-gun voters are overwhelmingly likely to do so by voting Republican. After all, Republicans constantly campaign that they're pro-gun, and they're the only thing standing in the way between the American people and complete disarmament by the Democrats. Unfortunately for those blowhards, actions speak louder than words, and the 2024 Platform just adopted at the RNC is wholly muted in terms of gun rights. This week, when the party released its new platform, gun owners realized the party gutted one of the core tenants that made Republicans, well, Republicans.

For the past eight years, the Republican Party had a detailed plan on restoring and expanding gun rights. It covered a wide range of issues tied to the Second Amendment. Previous platforms discussed the importance of landmark precedents like Heller and McDonald, and they conveyed the seriousness of appointing solidly pro-constitutional judges to the bench. They also laid bare how anti-gun jurisdictions are purposefully ignoring court rulings and how they must be stopped. They advocated for national reciprocity and the abolishment of magazine and firearm bans, including those targeting the AR-15. Heck, that was even classified as a priority! They condemned frivolous lawsuits against gun manufacturers and the harassment of firearms dealers. They even congratulated and promoted the passage of Constitutional carry legislation across the several states.

In summary, past platforms were clear and concise. They weren't pages upon pages of written material, but solid principles that told voters where the Republican Party stood on the Second Amendment. Even more importantly, these platforms set a national directive to state and county level parties, and many acted. Platforms served as a tool that the politically active could use to beat back weak-kneed Republicans at the local and state level Plus, they aided gun owners across the country in advancing pro-gun legislation in their states. Look to the recent success for gun owners in Texas, South Carolina, Florida, and Georgia for example. These states finally used their Republican supermajorities to advance permitless carry legislation, after years of delays and outright failure under old Republican leadership.

Gun owners used the national party's platform as a cudgel to politically browbeat those in office in those states. They hammered the point that if state lawmakers were voting against or blocking pro-gun legislation, they were going against the very core foundation of the party's identity. That's the importance of the RNC's platform and the words within it, and why it's so damning that this year's platform nearly fully omitted this fundamental right. Gone is the clear and concise wording. Now, all that exists is a tiny blurb:

"DEFEND OUR CONSTITUTION, OUR BILL OF RIGHTS, AND OUR FUNDAMENTAL FREEDOMS, INCLUDING FREEDOM OF SPEECH, FREEDOM OF RELIGION, AND THE RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS"

To the politically illiterate, such a statement seems good. But the truth of the matter is it isn't. Plenty of anti-gun Democrats have said the same thing. And looking further into the meat and potatoes of the new platform for the RNC, it appears that the Republican Party is adopting the 1990s-era Democrat Party platform. Look at the wording regarding government entitlement programs and healthcare too. Gone is the push for slashing the ponzi scheme that is Social Security or repealing ObamaCare. This sends a loud message to voters: what defined Republicans for close to a decade is now dead. In terms of gun rights, party leaders probably are foolish enough to expect blind loyalty from gun owners. They would be wise to reconsider.

Gun owners need to send a loud message to the RNC.

We are not to be taken for granted.

Our votes aren't automatically theirs.

This platform speaks volumes, and we expect changes.

Again, the current wording and stance of the party today, is reminiscent of Democrats of the 1990s. Democrat politicians claimed to be "pro-gun" by saying they're in favor of Americans owning a deer rifle or a shotgun for duck hunting. But they were against the ownership of AR-15s, suppressors, or standard capacity magazines. Plus, they have always hated the idea of people carrying guns. Democrats would say we have "the right to keep and bear arms" if they weren't icky guns, and we didn't use those firearms to do things that they don't like.

There's been plenty of case studies where Republicans neutered or wholly blocked pro-gun legislation, and this platform gives them cover. Earlier this year, the Republican governor of Wyoming vetoed a repeal of several gun free zones. Last year, Florida lawmakers passed a watered-down permitless carry bill and even blocked a pro-gun amendment that would have repealed a gun-free zone. Gun owners need to be loud and proud and tell the RNC, and the GOP as a whole, that we will not be taken advantage of. We won't accept political table scraps instead of the juicy steak that we deserve.

[FfNJGTFO]

Definitely worth an inquiry to Lara Trump. There are some that say this move is a "head fake" (i.e. it's not in the official platform in order to lull the dems to sleep while they (GOP) carry on in secret). Honestly, the dems are stupid, but not *that* stupid. We each know the others' end game goal and what it will take to get there. The question becomes, "How willing are we to fight for our goals?"

If the party is truly attempting to de-emphasize 2A rights, then it looks like we need to do a little more "house cleaning." I think I also want to hear from Don Jr and Eric as well as Lara. If those two are changing their respective tunes, we may truly be screwed.

[Miami_JBT]

Definitely worth an inquiry to Lara Trump. There are some that say this move is a "head fake" (i.e. it's not in the official platform in order to lull the dems to sleep while they (GOP) carry on in secret). Honestly, the dems are stupid, but not *that* stupid. We each know the others' end game goal and what it will take to get there. The question becomes, "How willing are we to fight for our goals?"

If the party is truly attempting to de-emphasize 2A rights, then it looks like we need to do a little more "house cleaning." I think I also want to hear from Don Jr and Eric as well as Lara. If those two are changing their respective tunes, we may truly be screwed.

LOL

A NY Democrat who has stated over the decades he supports gun control and who has enacted gun control that was just ruled unconstitutional. Installed his Daughter In-law and a loyal sycophant to run the party and do his every whim.

You think Don Jr or Eric will care?

How many 2A Groups have the Trumps claimed to start? Oh yeah, four so far. 2016, 2020, 2022, and now 2024. Did they actually really form up? No.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/donald ... vows-fight

Do you not remember Don Jr saying he was going to form a 2A group?

The house cleaning being done by Trump's MAGA cult is the reason why the party has dropped gun rights. They're the ones in charge and shitcanned the pro-gunners from the RNC.

This isn't Reagan's GOP anymore. This is a GOP that pushes gun control, spends money like a drunken sailor, and expands the government to violate your civil rights.

[REDinFL]

Sounds like the democrat party. Oh, so those talking about the "Uniparty" may have a point after all. Those in charge want to dis-empower everyone else. One needs plan and act accordingly.

[FfNJGTFO]

This isn't Reagan's GOP anymore. This is a GOP that pushes gun control, spends money like a drunken sailor, and expands the government to violate your civil rights.

Then what's the available alternative? Who would you like to see in the WH that could be elected and that will pursue a pro-2A agenda?

I know Trump isn't perfect. But at this point and with no other alternatives, I'm forced again to vote "lesser of the evils." Would you rather have FJB or KH behind the Oval for another 4 years, knowing with absolute certainty that our 2A rights will sink to new lows?

[tector]

It's very clear it's the Trump cabal behind the gutting of the GOP platform when it comes to the 2A. Luis is 100% correct on that. What each individual does with that realization is up to them. That there is some obvious "one true course" is utter bullshit. So do whatever your conscience guides you to do based on your own sense of how to get through this mess--and the only way forward is through, as they say. Regardless, as Father Time is polishing off Dementia Joe now, Trump is not far down his list. In January he'll either be a lame duck president rapidly approaching 80 himself (he'd get there less than 18 months into his second term), or he'll be history.

[FfNJGTFO]

It's very clear it's the Trump cabal behind the gutting of the GOP platform when it comes to the 2A. Luis is 100% correct on that. What each individual does with that realization is up to them. That there is some obvious "one true course" is utter bullshit. So do whatever your conscience guides you to do based on your own sense of how to get through this mess--and the only way forward is through, as they say. Regardless, as Father Time is polishing off Dementia Joe now, Trump is not far down his list. In January he'll either be a lame duck president rapidly approaching 80 himself (he'd get there less than 18 months into his second term), or he'll be history.

Then again, I ask you as I asked Luis, who *should* be in the WH if not Trump? Do you have a viable alternative? One that could get elected and push a pro-2A agenda?

[George W]

This isn't Reagan's GOP anymore. This is a GOP that pushes gun control, spends money like a drunken sailor, and expands the government to violate your civil rights.

Reagan had a long history of supporting gun control; as Ca Governor, as POTUS, and as Ex-President.

[tector]

It's very clear it's the Trump cabal behind the gutting of the GOP platform when it comes to the 2A. Luis is 100% correct on that. What each individual does with that realization is up to them. That there is some obvious "one true course" is utter bullshit. So do whatever your conscience guides you to do based on your own sense of how to get through this mess--and the only way forward is through, as they say. Regardless, as Father Time is polishing off Dementia Joe now, Trump is not far down his list. In January he'll either be a lame duck president rapidly approaching 80 himself (he'd get there less than 18 months into his second term), or he'll be history.

Then again, I ask you as I asked Luis, who *should* be in the WH if not Trump? Do you have a viable alternative? One that could get elected and push a pro-2A agenda?

What part of "do whatever your conscience guides you to do" did you not understand? I am not interested in converting anyone to any course of action. IMO, things are going to get much worse before they can get better, and there is no assurance they will get better. So do what's best for you and yours.