You hit the nail on the head!!!!!Molivo wrote: ↑Wed Sep 11, 2024 8:49 pmThis. Frankly, this problem started when we idolized athletes and villanized our law enforcement.lakelandman wrote: ↑Tue Sep 10, 2024 10:50 pm Tyreek Hill was speeding and being a dick to cops the only reason we are seeing this is because he's black and an athlete. Had this been anyone else they would have been giving a ticket case closed and the media loves to play the race card every time so over it.
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2024 Florida Statutes. Title XXIII Motor Vehicles
Chapter 316 State Uniform Traffic Control. 316.001 thru 316.87
1- Yes, in Florida, you are required to roll down your window when a police officer is attempting to pull you over. This is to ensure a smooth interaction with law enforcement
2-You must exit the vehicle if requested. If a police officer requests that you exit the vehicle, you must comply. A traffic stop is the same as being detained by a police officer. You cannot leave until you are allowed to do so.
Chapter 316 State Uniform Traffic Control. 316.001 thru 316.87
1- Yes, in Florida, you are required to roll down your window when a police officer is attempting to pull you over. This is to ensure a smooth interaction with law enforcement
2-You must exit the vehicle if requested. If a police officer requests that you exit the vehicle, you must comply. A traffic stop is the same as being detained by a police officer. You cannot leave until you are allowed to do so.
I'll tell you what rule we applied sir.
We applied rule 303.
We caught them and we shot them under rule 303!
Harry "Breaker" Morant
We applied rule 303.
We caught them and we shot them under rule 303!
Harry "Breaker" Morant
When I get stopped, all 4 windows go down; the interior light goes on if it is at night; and two hands go on the top of the steering wheel. No motion is made without notice to the officer.
No statute is involved. What is involved is this: I am aware that when officers stop a vehicle, they have no idea if the person inside is just a normal person or an archcriminal. The presumption of innocence is a courtroom concept, that you can raise it there if you don't like how the cop treats you out in the field. But out in the field, that cop has a gun on his hip and I am not doing anything to motivate him in even the slightest way to change that.
This is called being an adult that deals with reality. Save your lawyering (and appeals to "social justice") for the proper forum.
No statute is involved. What is involved is this: I am aware that when officers stop a vehicle, they have no idea if the person inside is just a normal person or an archcriminal. The presumption of innocence is a courtroom concept, that you can raise it there if you don't like how the cop treats you out in the field. But out in the field, that cop has a gun on his hip and I am not doing anything to motivate him in even the slightest way to change that.
This is called being an adult that deals with reality. Save your lawyering (and appeals to "social justice") for the proper forum.
“Democracy is a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance.”
Agree T, I do not care about where I stand legally when I can be killed for doing something considered hostile.
I keep all relevant documents ready at all times.
When I am pulled over license, Registration and insurance are in my hand window down and hands on the top of the steering wheel with fingers wiggling.
I do this in spite of the fact the LEO has already run my ID and knows I am OK but I am making sure he knows he is 100% safe to approach.
This idolized athlete (As mentioned we make them idolized) set himself up by being a dick from the get go.
That being said he found out the cop that pulled him insist on being twice the dick of anybody in the area and when said Dolphin was dismissive and condescending (Neither are against the law but stupid when a guy with a gun is being pissed off by your tude) he fooked around and found out
However, nothing this privileged idol did warranted the response from mister "You think you're a dick?, hold my beer rookie"
We have all seen numerous traffic stops where the driver was rude abusive argumentative and even threatening (verbally) and we all are yelling drag that asswipe out and cuff him but the LEO remains cool, writes the ticket and says have a nice day.
He says if you don't roll it down I will pull you out of the car and before another breath he pulls the door open and drags him out with violence.
Out of line. He could have looked at him and said please exit the vehicle or we will remove you and given him oh maybe 2 seconds or 3 before doing his Eric Cartman impersonation
Cops have the right to insist the window is down (They do not have to ask me it is down) and if they want they can ask you to exit the vehicle, both lawful commands. Two of those cops have anger management issues and should be on a tactical team with a cooler head holding their leash telling them to never talk to the public in anyway.
They are bullies that demand you kiss their butts. The one would be gone that day and the city treasurer would breath a sigh of relief
Even so had they pulled me over I would have never acted like Mr Privileged to set all this in motion and that is the real lesson we Joe Public need to learn from this incident.
What do we do to avoid danger from short tempered Officer Eric Cartman
I keep all relevant documents ready at all times.
When I am pulled over license, Registration and insurance are in my hand window down and hands on the top of the steering wheel with fingers wiggling.
I do this in spite of the fact the LEO has already run my ID and knows I am OK but I am making sure he knows he is 100% safe to approach.
This idolized athlete (As mentioned we make them idolized) set himself up by being a dick from the get go.
That being said he found out the cop that pulled him insist on being twice the dick of anybody in the area and when said Dolphin was dismissive and condescending (Neither are against the law but stupid when a guy with a gun is being pissed off by your tude) he fooked around and found out
However, nothing this privileged idol did warranted the response from mister "You think you're a dick?, hold my beer rookie"
We have all seen numerous traffic stops where the driver was rude abusive argumentative and even threatening (verbally) and we all are yelling drag that asswipe out and cuff him but the LEO remains cool, writes the ticket and says have a nice day.
He says if you don't roll it down I will pull you out of the car and before another breath he pulls the door open and drags him out with violence.
Out of line. He could have looked at him and said please exit the vehicle or we will remove you and given him oh maybe 2 seconds or 3 before doing his Eric Cartman impersonation
Cops have the right to insist the window is down (They do not have to ask me it is down) and if they want they can ask you to exit the vehicle, both lawful commands. Two of those cops have anger management issues and should be on a tactical team with a cooler head holding their leash telling them to never talk to the public in anyway.
They are bullies that demand you kiss their butts. The one would be gone that day and the city treasurer would breath a sigh of relief
Even so had they pulled me over I would have never acted like Mr Privileged to set all this in motion and that is the real lesson we Joe Public need to learn from this incident.
What do we do to avoid danger from short tempered Officer Eric Cartman
Oh I agree the cop totally overreacted. With body cams now, you can win that fight later.
This Latin cop has some young black guy in a ridiculously expensive car giving him attitude. It's 92 degrees, he has this shit detail outside the stadium, with every kind of moron driving like idiots (it's Miami). I totally understand why he's on edge. But he reacted badly.
My last traffic stop was on I-10 in Louisiana, 3 years ago this November. It's twilight. I'm the passenger, my friend is the driver. We are heading back from Texas, hoping to make to Crestview that evening. We are in a rented Tahoe. One cop at first, but soon another shows up. One has my friend get out and talks with him away from the Tahoe, while I am in the passenger seat talking to the other. They think we're fishy for some reason, mine mentions is there anything in the vehicle that shouldn't be there. I tell him "no." and to call the dog squad in to check that out, but could it please be quick--we have a long drive ahead that night. I tell him about my gun and give him my CWP. They skip the dog, let us go, no ticket. We get to Crestview.
If me or my friend give these guys shit, who knows how it goes. Getting shot? No, but I don't need bracelets and a county cot at my age--the bracelets would tear up my rotator cuff, and the cot would raise hell with my back.
This Latin cop has some young black guy in a ridiculously expensive car giving him attitude. It's 92 degrees, he has this shit detail outside the stadium, with every kind of moron driving like idiots (it's Miami). I totally understand why he's on edge. But he reacted badly.
My last traffic stop was on I-10 in Louisiana, 3 years ago this November. It's twilight. I'm the passenger, my friend is the driver. We are heading back from Texas, hoping to make to Crestview that evening. We are in a rented Tahoe. One cop at first, but soon another shows up. One has my friend get out and talks with him away from the Tahoe, while I am in the passenger seat talking to the other. They think we're fishy for some reason, mine mentions is there anything in the vehicle that shouldn't be there. I tell him "no." and to call the dog squad in to check that out, but could it please be quick--we have a long drive ahead that night. I tell him about my gun and give him my CWP. They skip the dog, let us go, no ticket. We get to Crestview.
If me or my friend give these guys shit, who knows how it goes. Getting shot? No, but I don't need bracelets and a county cot at my age--the bracelets would tear up my rotator cuff, and the cot would raise hell with my back.
“Democracy is a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance.”
Seriously? Let's do better.
I still don't see how #1 works. Yes, a driver is required to obey lawful commands, but I can't find a specific statement in the statutes about rolling down the window. #2 is absolutely correct, but the jump from asking to roll the window down to taking him out of the car was only 5 seconds.BerettaRacer wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2024 12:00 pm 2024 Florida Statutes. Title XXIII Motor Vehicles
Chapter 316 State Uniform Traffic Control. 316.001 thru 316.87
1- Yes, in Florida, you are required to roll down your window when a police officer is attempting to pull you over. This is to ensure a smooth interaction with law enforcement
2-You must exit the vehicle if requested. If a police officer requests that you exit the vehicle, you must comply. A traffic stop is the same as being detained by a police officer. You cannot leave until you are allowed to do so.
There's still a lot of 4A issues here about cuffing him under the circumstances. No matter how you slice this, the cop escalated when he should having been trying to bring the temperature down. Egos had no place there.
20+ over the speed limit is a arrestable offence in most states, just sayin