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zeebaron wrote:

Greg wrote: ↑Sat Dec 01, 2018 11:01 am It’s best not to discuss these things nowadays online.....

Even private forums aren't safe now, because AntiFa & SJW's collecting SSI & welfare for their mental illness get to sit at home all day and infiltrate them if you're against their agenda. They collect all the info they can and use it against members.

jaytwillerham wrote: ↑Thu Dec 06, 2018 11:26 am The founding fathers of these United States didn't have trepidations about speaking out.
Why should we?

Greg wrote: ↑Sat Dec 01, 2018 11:01 am It’s best not to discuss these things nowadays online.....

Hey hey, this is actually a bit of my forte. I have been following this sort of stuff since around 2013ish.... I want to stay intentionally vague but I was doing some work for a large well known conservative PAC. I found out that they had contracted a startup which had a team of people who would help "balance the conversation". I didn't learn too much directly, but I do know that they had a small team who had created vast webs of social media accounts and had bots which would help manipulate (promote and demote) social media posts and comments. This is where I learned about the "digital campaign intelligence" industry, which is HUGE. It propped up after Obama's 08 run where he showed how well big data helps campaigns...

The most lucrative startups at these biannual conferences in DC were ones that focused on social media. Just like how marketing has found social media to be FAR MORE valuable in terms of ROI over traditional marketing, so were political players. There were, at the time, tons of startups who were offering different services. They were all very opaque and never public about what they did. You had to reach out to them and usually know someone to get connected.

Around the same time China's digital manipulation campaigns were becoming more transparent. People were learning how they were doing it, and learning their incredibly effective techniques, and brought them over to the US with these private industries.

I don't want to get into the details too much. I've already done novelas worth of this stuff talking about the details, but in brief the most effective techniques are cultural changes within platforms.

When these organizations want to push something, they don't need to brute force it with tons and tons of their own people. That's unrealistic. However, what they have that organic communities DON'T have is organization, so a small group of people can effectively take over large groups.

Their main goal isn't to debate, offer counter information, or anything like that. It's to derail conversations which they don't want happening, and promote positive conversations. The goal is to mainly act so toxic and hostile towards people who aren't toeing the narrative line, that those people just stop participating. Whenever they bring something up, they just get derailed, disgruntled, and an all around unpleasant experience. This pushes people out. Meanwhile, they promote, using bots and algorithms, people who are on board. Eventually, after a few months curating a social media community, they can effectively have developed an ideal culture which keeps in line with the narrative. It only takes a small handful of people to curate these spaces. For instance, on Reddit, if anytime you have a calm rational, fair dissagreement, and you're met with tons of downvotes and hostility, how long would you continue participating? However, if you agreed and always got upvotes and exposure, how much would you participate? Eventually the culture builds upon itself.

The reasoning behind this, as the Chinese noticed, is to prevent fair discussion. They intentionally design echo chambers. They don't want outsiders looking in, and seeing rational and reasonable discussions. They just want to shut down ALL discussions which aren't in line. Don't argue or debate the person, just don't have it period. This way, you prevent people from seeing different perspectives as well as create a lot of social pressure. When you go into a space and the only people talking about something are negatively hit hard, then you too think that everyone must dissagree with X Y and Z for good reason. And if you never see people calmly discuss these issues, you never really get exposed to them.

I'm serious. This is WIDESPREAD. It's not just Russians... It's politics in general. Both the left and right... Everyone can talk about the switch that hit /r/politics within 24 hours bringing a traditionally anti-establishment space into full swing cheerleaders for the establishment dems.

Firemedic2000 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 2:33 pm IM getting a 3D printer for christmas the things i6can do with that.

dammitgriff wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 3:02 pm I’d make more 3D printers if I had a 3D printer...