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rug357 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 6:28 pm In the meantime according to FL Dept Health something between 1,200 and 2,800 people died of flu in Florida in past 6 months...which is about the normal number in average flu season.

Let's be clear here on those numbers. Those are just reported numbers. A hellva lot more than that actually die from the flu virus than that. But their deaths are listed as being from respiratory illness they had before and pneumonia and many many other illness.

Not the flu that they had caught. But because they had these preexisting conditions. Their deaths reflect that, not the flu. Just take those number above and triple them if not more.

I can attest to this because I worked a second job as a paramedic tech in a hospital and saw what was listed as cause of death many times of patients that came in with the flu.

Rug is right just the numbers are higher. Remember this. If you get the flu vaccine be sure to get the pneumonia vaccine if you've never gotten it.

If you notice the signs and symptoms between the flu and COVID 19 are pretty much the same.

Guess what their deaths were not listed as being from the flu.

Flu signs and symptoms

Pain types: can be sharp in the chest

Whole body: fever, chills, dehydration, fatigue, loss of appetite, malaise, clammy skin, or sweating

Respiratory: fast breathing, shallow breathing, shortness of breath, or wheezing

Also common: coughing or fast heart rate


COVID 19 signs and symptoms

Fever

Cough

Shortness of breath

Trouble breathing

Persistent pain or pressure in the chest

Bluish lips or face

I think you guys need to stop looking at snapshots, particularly snapshots taken WHILE lockdowns are in place (as opposed to what would have happened without them). NYC just went over 1,000 COVID-19 deaths--pretty sure they have had nowhere near that amount of traffic deaths in the same period. So let's see where we are in a month, and let's hope these comparisons still stand up for us. Trump was pretty grim today. I would love for him to be wrong (and so would he).

Well said

zeebaron wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:47 pm So you don't mind more people dying? I'm not sure what people's point is when they point out "corona isn't killing as many people as x".

Elon Musk's favorite line is, "If cars were invented today, they would be electric." And he is absolutely right. What he fails to mention is if they were invented today there is no way any government would ever let you have one. Driving is a stupidly dangerous activity that we discount the inherent danger because we do it all the time. It is safer than smoking, but in a meth is safer than heroin sort of way...

Now let's take the 'more people dying' thing. Of course nobody wants people to die. Generally, this disease is killing people who are already nearly dead- like would have been dead at around the same time of a cold, or the flu, or a spicy sandwich, or nothing at all. Rarely there is someone who had a few more pages in the book when they get knocked off- but it doesn't seem any more common than the flu, or contracting a nasty flesh eating bacteria from a hospital waiting room, or a nasty brain eating ameba from a lake, and much less common than the perfectly healthy child who get run over, or wrapped around a tree, or ejected through a windshield.

But back to the topic- we live in a free society. Not quite as free as some of the anarchys in Africa, not nearly as restricted as all of the countries in Europe. I think we do a good job with that balance in general, even though there are many details I wish we moved a bit more towards freedom. To recycle another trope, freedom isn't free. It took lots of blood to get us to this point, and not just from soldiers. Freedom has it's fee, and someone has to pay it. Having access to firearms, as a society, means some people are going to get shot. Having access to cars, as a society, means some people are going to get run over. Having access to sidewalks, as a society, means some people are going to get sick and die.

Right now we are living in the alternative to freedom, and there really isn't a reason for it. A friend of mine was sad about basketball, but he said he would prefer no basketball than his father (probably older than Lincoln) dying... but I couldn't get him to a line where freedom outweighed safety... if he always lived in a bubble, isolated from other humans, unable to leave the house for fear of the dangers lurking outside, unable to shower for fear of slipping, eat solid food for fear of choking... At what point do you say it's better to roll the million sided dice and hope for the best?

Taco wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 6:55 am

Right now we are living in the alternative to freedom, and there really isn't a reason for it. A friend of mine was sad about basketball, but he said he would prefer no basketball than his father (probably older than Lincoln) dying... but I couldn't get him to a line where freedom outweighed safety... if he always lived in a bubble, isolated from other humans, unable to leave the house for fear of the dangers lurking outside, unable to shower for fear of slipping, eat solid food for fear of choking... At what point do you say it's better to roll the million sided dice and hope for the best?

Live right, go to gym daily, eat healthy, take all the vitamins, see doctor regularly, and get hit by a meteor. Yep sometimes I wonder about folks.

There are several outlooks on life. The "I am going to do everything right and live a healthy long life", the "Sliding into the grave looking all wore out shouting What a ride", or the somewhere in the middle "Shit happens"

Meh, whatever you like go for it. Just do not impact my choice is all I ask. I don't do kale! I like meat.

To a certain extent I wonder about the figures. Not wishing to belittle the sufferings of this who have it, I’m asking if the percentages are truly correct. To be fair, the Richard Theorem on statistics is, even if the probability is .0001%, it is 100% if it happens to you. Can I just walk in to a clinic, or see a doctor or a LabCorp Test location and ask for a Corona test, “just in case”? No, of course not. One needs symptoms and, from what I read those are fairly specific. Therefore, the only way to get a test is to have a probability of the disease that is above zero, which in itself increases the percentage of detections. They are testing from a seeded sample, not a random universe. How can one say the percentage of population is infected based on that data? One will get a much higher figure, and an inaccurate one.

I believe other screening tests are done more openly from a more random population, even if not a completely pure randomness. I’m sure others, such as Firemedic and other medical professionals know more about the criteria and can comment.

tector wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 1:20 am NYC just went over 1,000 COVID-19 deaths--pretty sure they have had nowhere near that amount of traffic deaths in the same period.

Look at all the bags of clothes donations they have stacked up for Goodwill. Just another day in NYC, just normal flu death procedures:

The fear/concern is that all hospitals will be overwhelmed and healthcare workers will not have protective gear. Not enough beds and ventilators will lead to a large number of deaths. Pretty unusual to say the least.... Pretty unsettling that if you get sick, there might not be a slot available to you.

tector wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 1:20 am I think you guys need to stop looking at snapshots, particularly snapshots taken WHILE lockdowns are in place (as opposed to what would have happened without them). NYC just went over 1,000 COVID-19 deaths--pretty sure they have had nowhere near that amount of traffic deaths in the same period. So let's see where we are in a month, and let's hope these comparisons still stand up for us. Trump was pretty grim today. I would love for him to be wrong (and so would he).

If Trump shows any type of we can pull through this and still keep AMERICA GREAT attitude. He's attacked by the FAKE NEWS MEDIA and the LEFT WING SOCIALIST EXTREMISTS DEMOCRATS as being overly enthusiastic. Of giving Americans too much hope. Because the DEMOCRATS are foaming at the mouth at using this virus as a way to steal more liberties and imprison AMERICA under more government control.

They thrive on doom.

So Trump can not be the leader of hope and be enthusiastic in as much as projecting America will survive and be stronger than before as a nation. Because as a nation we will over come this.

Then the FAKE NEWS MEDIA and LEFT WING SOCIALIST EXTREMISTS DEMOCRATS say the President is campaigning.

He can not win. It's stupid. Of coarse you have old Nancy Pelosi saying stupid crap like she want's to look into how the President responded to this virus with some type of panel

Do I hear IMPEACHMENT 2.0 coming

neverenoughguns wrote:The fear/concern is that all hospitals will be overwhelmed and healthcare workers will not have protective gear. Not enough beds and ventilators will lead to a large number of deaths. Pretty unusual to say the least.... Pretty unsettling that if you get sick, there might not be a slot available to you.

Medical industry generates 18% of the U.S. GDP.
Gotta wonder where the hospital corporations are spending their profits, if not on capital investments (medical equipment) and consumables (surgical masks/gowns).
Oh, now I remember—stock buybacks, it’s all the rage. Over $7 trillion worth in the last decade. Oops.