Red Flag or Red Coat Laws?
Posted: Fri May 17, 2019 10:37 am
Own guns off the record if you want to retain guns for life. Do not store all guns in one location, do not store guns all in your home or storage or family member's place or friend or girlfriend etc that they will be searching if they want to search your stuff as that is where they will assume you have other things.
At the same time once they confiscate or want some of your guns, ever being found or seen with your others they missed will be a crime. Lying about them will be a crime (and the 5th has pretty much been destroyed by case law now too so remaining silent is often a crime now too), being found will be a crime, etc At that point they are not really good for much beyond offensive use. So even then your ability to defend yourself or your family is compromised.
They will be coming for guns. This is not some paranoid imagined scenario, it is what half the presidential candidates are promising to do.
They are coming at the individual level, and they are coming at the macro level too. They will be putting a variety of helper laws from universal registration/background checks, and banning private transfers, and many other things to reduce how many firearms they do not know about and making any method of obtaining or owning guns they do not know about illegal. Various states have started to even outlaw making your own firearm off the books, 'ghost guns' they have been termed, even though it was an American tradition since our founding.
Red flag laws remove your RKBA. You have no right to keep, and no right to bear those arms, and they can be seized easier than most other property under red flag laws.
The only property the government is specifically forbidden from infringing on beyond a generality has become the easiest of all property to take away from you.
Whether temporarily or permanently. It is also the only property you can become forbidden from owning for life for an increasing number of offenses. Originally being serious felonies we would recognize as violent crime and over time including an increasing number of offenses that were not violent and later even misdemeanors and now even easier than that. How far we have fallen just since 1968.
California even made a special task force for checking up on anyone that becomes prohibited and confiscating their firearms as they look to add new things to prohibit an increasing number of people. Registration of firearms is what makes this possible.
If I wanted to think of some precedent a court would use for taking guns from people even before a crime, the closest I could think of would be asset forfeiture laws they started using in the 1980s War on Drugs. In case you are unaware, at the federal level and in many states you do not need to be convicted of anything for the government to seize and take permanent possession of property they say meets certain criteria under those laws, and then it is up to you to prove you are not guilty to even have a shot at an uphill battle to get it back. Guilty unless you prove yourself innocent, and they win by default. So they have been accustomed to and doing what would amount to unlawful taking under the Constitution for a good part of their budget for some decades now.
Most of society just did not take notice because like all of the laws that eventually ruin the lives of everyone, they start out targeting people we all agree are bad news.
In California they just greatly reduced asset forfeiture by requiring a conviction in 2016, and also added a law even more recently to prevent local law enforcement from helping the feds and splitting the profits like they started doing to get around the initial law requiring a conviction. Because at the federal level they still require no conviction to permanently take people's property. One of the few things California has done right in recent times.
Imagine that, needing to convict people to even punish them, clearly it never should have been Constitutional to start..
So make no mistake the government actually has decades of experience of just taking peoples' things. Most simply chose to think the end justified the means and ignore it, it was targeting mainly drug dealers after all.
A better term for these laws might be Red Coat laws.
I seem to recall the redcoats wanting to take by force some colonist arms to prevent them from causing trouble they had yet to cause starting the revolution that started our nation.
If they need to destroy the 4th, 5th, or various other Amendments to remove the 2nd they will. All while they will claim to be preserving and working within the framework of them all.
But really you cannot blame them. The Democrat method of taking over the nation is to give the nation to a foreign population, as was done with California in just a few decades. They know the second and often third generation descendants of poor immigrants vote for the handout party that promises not to enforce immigration. Even though half the reason they need a handout is by letting in so many people the cost of living has skyrocketed to require subsidies for poor people to even pay their bills in the states they let foreigners flood in by the millions. All while in just a few decades the demographics have changed from the populations that made up and built America to primarily those of new arrivals they are turning our nation over too. We are one of the easiest nations to invade and conquer. You just don't put on a uniform and use weapons as our military would crush you, instead you put on civilian clothes and come in unarmed by the millions and demand better treatment. But after giving huge swathes of the nation to a foreign culture, while promoting and encouraging negative subcultures as cultural heritage, they don't really trust them with arms, while not wanting those opposed to them armed either. Like children or wealth producing livestock that must be taken care of, and not allowed freedoms they could get hurt with or determine their own fate with.
At the same time once they confiscate or want some of your guns, ever being found or seen with your others they missed will be a crime. Lying about them will be a crime (and the 5th has pretty much been destroyed by case law now too so remaining silent is often a crime now too), being found will be a crime, etc At that point they are not really good for much beyond offensive use. So even then your ability to defend yourself or your family is compromised.
They will be coming for guns. This is not some paranoid imagined scenario, it is what half the presidential candidates are promising to do.
They are coming at the individual level, and they are coming at the macro level too. They will be putting a variety of helper laws from universal registration/background checks, and banning private transfers, and many other things to reduce how many firearms they do not know about and making any method of obtaining or owning guns they do not know about illegal. Various states have started to even outlaw making your own firearm off the books, 'ghost guns' they have been termed, even though it was an American tradition since our founding.
Red flag laws remove your RKBA. You have no right to keep, and no right to bear those arms, and they can be seized easier than most other property under red flag laws.
The only property the government is specifically forbidden from infringing on beyond a generality has become the easiest of all property to take away from you.
Whether temporarily or permanently. It is also the only property you can become forbidden from owning for life for an increasing number of offenses. Originally being serious felonies we would recognize as violent crime and over time including an increasing number of offenses that were not violent and later even misdemeanors and now even easier than that. How far we have fallen just since 1968.
California even made a special task force for checking up on anyone that becomes prohibited and confiscating their firearms as they look to add new things to prohibit an increasing number of people. Registration of firearms is what makes this possible.
If I wanted to think of some precedent a court would use for taking guns from people even before a crime, the closest I could think of would be asset forfeiture laws they started using in the 1980s War on Drugs. In case you are unaware, at the federal level and in many states you do not need to be convicted of anything for the government to seize and take permanent possession of property they say meets certain criteria under those laws, and then it is up to you to prove you are not guilty to even have a shot at an uphill battle to get it back. Guilty unless you prove yourself innocent, and they win by default. So they have been accustomed to and doing what would amount to unlawful taking under the Constitution for a good part of their budget for some decades now.
Most of society just did not take notice because like all of the laws that eventually ruin the lives of everyone, they start out targeting people we all agree are bad news.
In California they just greatly reduced asset forfeiture by requiring a conviction in 2016, and also added a law even more recently to prevent local law enforcement from helping the feds and splitting the profits like they started doing to get around the initial law requiring a conviction. Because at the federal level they still require no conviction to permanently take people's property. One of the few things California has done right in recent times.
Imagine that, needing to convict people to even punish them, clearly it never should have been Constitutional to start..
So make no mistake the government actually has decades of experience of just taking peoples' things. Most simply chose to think the end justified the means and ignore it, it was targeting mainly drug dealers after all.
A better term for these laws might be Red Coat laws.
I seem to recall the redcoats wanting to take by force some colonist arms to prevent them from causing trouble they had yet to cause starting the revolution that started our nation.
If they need to destroy the 4th, 5th, or various other Amendments to remove the 2nd they will. All while they will claim to be preserving and working within the framework of them all.
But really you cannot blame them. The Democrat method of taking over the nation is to give the nation to a foreign population, as was done with California in just a few decades. They know the second and often third generation descendants of poor immigrants vote for the handout party that promises not to enforce immigration. Even though half the reason they need a handout is by letting in so many people the cost of living has skyrocketed to require subsidies for poor people to even pay their bills in the states they let foreigners flood in by the millions. All while in just a few decades the demographics have changed from the populations that made up and built America to primarily those of new arrivals they are turning our nation over too. We are one of the easiest nations to invade and conquer. You just don't put on a uniform and use weapons as our military would crush you, instead you put on civilian clothes and come in unarmed by the millions and demand better treatment. But after giving huge swathes of the nation to a foreign culture, while promoting and encouraging negative subcultures as cultural heritage, they don't really trust them with arms, while not wanting those opposed to them armed either. Like children or wealth producing livestock that must be taken care of, and not allowed freedoms they could get hurt with or determine their own fate with.
