Update: 2 FBI agents killed with "assault style" rifle
Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2021 10:07 am
by tector
https://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/brow ... story.html
Details are still sketchy, but apparently got popped serving a warrant. Unconfirmed reports one dead, one severely wounded.
Re: FBI agents down in Sunrise (Update: 2 killed)
Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2021 11:10 am
by tector
Re: 2 FBI agents killed with "assault style" rifle
Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2021 9:19 pm
by tector
https://amp.miamiherald.com/news/local/ ... sion=true
Shot through the door, monitored through doorbell camera.
Re: Update: 2 FBI agents killed with "assault style" rifle
Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2021 6:42 pm
by rug357
David Lee Huber of Sunrise. 55 y/o guy who worked in computer field with no social media presence.
Looks like he lived near me (2 miles) for a dozen years.
Re: Update: 2 FBI agents killed with "assault style" rifle
Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2021 11:31 pm
by tector
rug357 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 03, 2021 6:42 pm
David Lee Huber of Sunrise. 55 y/o guy who worked in computer field with no social media presence.
Looks like he lived near me (2 miles) for a dozen years.
He died about 2 miles from me.
Re: Update: 2 FBI agents killed with "assault style" rifle
Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2021 10:11 pm
by Tenzing_Norgay
How does a pedo get the drop on FIVE trained FBI agents? Did they just stroll up to the door and announce themselves at his Ring doorbell?
Before I do "night ops" in the neighborhood, I check for cameras and doorbells during the day.
Re: Update: 2 FBI agents killed with "assault style" rifle
Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2021 10:29 pm
by Cubanstang50
Tenzing_Norgay wrote: ↑Thu Feb 04, 2021 10:11 pm
How does a pedo get the drop on FIVE trained FBI agents? Did they just stroll up to the door and announce themselves at his Ring doorbell?
Before I do "night ops" in the neighborhood, I check for cameras and doorbells during the day.
This is a very simple answer. They sent deck employees to serve a warrant! Just because they are "FBI AGENTS" doesnt mean they are proficient or have the right gear in room entering like a swat team is!
Re: Update: 2 FBI agents killed with "assault style" rifle
Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2021 8:58 am
by Tenzing_Norgay
Cubanstang50 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 05, 2021 10:29 pm
This is a very simple answer. They sent desk employees to serve a warrant! Just because they are "FBI AGENTS" doesnt mean they are proficient or have the right gear in room entering like a swat team is!
Then why the hell are they busting down doors? Don't they watch the news? #Fail
Re: Update: 2 FBI agents killed with "assault style" rifle
Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2021 9:11 am
by Tenzing_Norgay
FBI went without SWAT team on deadly Sunrise raid; other cops wouldn’t have.
By MARIO ARIZA, AUSTEN ERBLAT and LISA J. HURIASH
SOUTH FLORIDA SUN SENTINEL
FEB 05, 2021 AT 6:07 PM
The two FBI agents ambushed Tuesday in Sunrise — killed by a gunman who apparently saw them coming — were serving a warrant without the SWAT team backup that even many local police departments use in those situations.
The nation’s top law enforcement agency does not require a SWAT team when serving warrants, law enforcement sources told the South Florida Sun Sentinel. Instead, the agency assesses the likelihood of violence when deciding whether to send its own SWAT team or request one from local police.
Neither happened Tuesday when agents showed up at the home of David Lee Huber, a loner and trained computer scientist, before dawn in connection with a child pornography investigation. Huber apparently detected them with a home security system and fired a high-powered gun through the door, killing veteran Special Agents Daniel Alfin and Laura Schwartzenberger.
In contrast, the Broward Sheriff’s Office and the Fort Lauderdale Police Department both employ the more heavily armed and armored SWAT teams when serving a warrant that requires them to force their way into a home, representatives of those departments said.
The Miami-Dade Police Department, the largest in the southeast U.S., requires SWAT teams when serving any narcotics warrant unless police commanders explicitly request not to use them, a spokesman said.
The 15 FBI agents and one Davie detective who tried to serve the warrant at Huber’s home in the sprawling Water Terrace apartment complex had no SWAT team on site and no SWAT vehicles, local police told the Sun Sentinel.
That may have left the FBI team vulnerable, according to one police expert.
“Civilians can be more dangerous now because of the internet and combat videos that teach them tactics and techniques that give them an advantage that we didn’t see decades ago,” said attorney Richard Diaz, a former Miami Dade Police Officer and Narcotics detective.
“So all of a sudden it’s not LeBron James against a little league basketball player. It’s LeBron James versus Dwayne Wayde.” he said. SWAT teams, Diaz said, return the advantage to the police.
Besides Alfin and Schwartzenberger, three other agents were hit by Huber’s bullets. Two were hospitalized and one was treated at the scene.
Only after shots were fired and two agents lay dead or dying in the front doorway was SWAT backup called for, according to local police departments involved in the operation. SWAT teams from Sunrise, Fort Lauderdale Police and the Broward Sherriff’s Office all responded once the shooting started, representatives for those departments confirmed.
The FBI Miami Field Office did not respond to questions about why a SWAT team was not deployed during the raid. George Piro, special agent in charge of the office, said at a news conference Tuesday that the raid had been carried out with diligence and planning.
“We thoroughly researched and meticulously plan to take into account any threats or dangers,” Piro said.
But that same morning, another team of local law enforcement officers, led by the Broward Sheriff’s Office and belonging to the same anti-pedophile task force as the FBI team, carried out a predawn raid in Coral Springs, with very different results.
Learning from the past.
In that raid, a team of officers affiliated with the South Florida Internet Crimes Against Children Task Force arrested YunPeng An, 31, at his home. According to the arrest paperwork, the operation went off without a hitch.
An’s attorney did not respond to a request for comment.
Sheriff’s Office policies required a SWAT team in Coral Springs. “Search warrants requiring a forced entry will be served by SWAT personnel,” the agency’s policy manual states. The agency implemented the policy after Detective Todd Fatta, 33, was shot in the chest and died while trying to serve search and arrest warrants in a child pornography case in 2004.
Some police departments avoid using SWAT so regularly. Cops in Sunrise and Lauderhill evaluate the need for SWAT on a case-by-case basis, representatives for those departments said. Davie’s police department reserves the use of SWAT for high-risk warrants, much like the FBI.
These smaller departments may limit the use of the heavily armored tactical teams because their constant deployment is expensive. The presence of heavily armed police also can cast a frightening image of militarized law enforcement in the community, Diaz said.
“It’s an officer’s safety concern versus making citizens happy,” he said.
The FBI’s decision not to employ SWAT conforms with agency policy, two retired agents told the Sun Sentinel. Huber, the shooter, had no history of violence or crime. It’s not clear if the FBI was aware he had a gun.
“From everything I’ve read publicly I don’t think there’s anything here that would have flagged a reason to have a SWAT team,” said Bill Lewis, a 26-year veteran of the FBI and the former assistant director in charge of its Los Angeles field office.
Lewis cites Huber’s lack of criminal background or past violent behavior as the main reason. Huber’s most serious brush with the law were traffic tickets.
An, the man arrested by sheriff’s detectives that same morning, had no violent or criminal history, either, and yet the Sheriff’s Office used a SWAT team.
“If I’d been on a squad during a warrant like that there would have been nothing that raised a red flag for me,” Lewis said. Lewis also said that it is often exceedingly difficult to tell if a suspect has a weapon or access to a weapon, one of the reasons that serving warrants is one of the most dangerous jobs police carry out.
“There are so many people out there willing to sell guns. Here in northwest Florida, there’s daily radio show where you buy and sell stuff, and guns are a hot item. People will call up and say, ‘Hey I’ve got an AR-15 I’d like to sell. I’m looking for $1,500.’ People do that all the time.”
Paul Miller, a retired FBI special agent who served in South Florida and elsewhere, said the FBI has its own SWAT team that it uses in certain situations when agents anticipate violence. These teams comprise special agents who have other responsibilities but get called to go out on the SWAT team to respond to high-risk situations, he said.
“Anytime you do a search warrant you need an operations plan that was reviewed and signed off by a supervisor,” Lewis said.
Another deadly shootout.
The last time two FBI agents died in a firefight, it was 1986. The shootout, which involved two bank robbers and eight agents, took place in a South Miami parking lot, and it changed the way that law enforcement agencies across the country operate.
In that gunfight, agents armed with smaller-caliber revolvers and shotguns faced off against two former Army veterans-turned-bank robbers armed with handguns, a shotgun and a semi-automatic rifle firing high-powered ammunition.
When the dust settled, two agents were dead and five wounded. According to the FBI’s own analysis of the shootout, 145 rounds were fired, 40 of them from the bank robber’s high-powered rifle. The analyses states that the light body armor worn by some of the officers during the shootout was unable to stop the bank robber’s high-powered rounds.
“That was one of the worse incidents in recent memory. It started affecting how we operated,” said Miller, who was the media representative for the FBI Miami Field Office at the time.
After the gun fight, the FBI began arming agents with semi-automatic handguns chambered with a more powerful bullet. They also started wearing more powerful body armor, the FBI website says. Police departments around the country followed suit.
Lewis, the former assistant director of the FBI’s Los Angeles field office, thinks the deaths in Sunrise may have a similar effect, though it’s not clear yet what policy changes may come to pass.
“I have a feeling that this incident will change not just the bureau but probably law enforcement in general.” he said. “It’s just such a horrific lesson to learn.”
Re: Update: 2 FBI agents killed with "assault style" rifle
Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2021 10:41 am
by ss1
Pansy Fred Grimm Op Ed opportunity
https://www.sun-sentinel.com/opinion/co ... story.html
I was confused when all I saw were opinions on lack of SWAT and surveillance doorbells. Felt a sense of relief that the Sun Sentinel staff are still retards. Of course a suicidal Pedo willing to take out agents would be afraid of not following draconian gun laws just like all the other nut jobs on his boom boom list.